The
Jeep 258 (4.2L) I6 isn't a power house, but it has gobs of low RPM
torque that makes it a great engine off-road. The most common
problem I see with the engine is it's inability to idle. Between
the 258 in my '81 CJ-7 and a couple friends that have 258 equipped
Wranglers, I have fixed this problem half a dozen times and the
cause of the problem has always been the same. The problem has
always been caused by clogged idle tubes that cause fuel to drip
out of the venturis and make the Jeep run rich at idle. Fixing the
problem is relatively easy and once you get past this problem, you
will get much more enjoyment from the 258 and the Carter BBD
carburetor.
The Carter BBD is a two barrel carburetor that was
available on late 70s to late 80s Jeeps with the 4.2L engine. There
are two variations of the carburetor, one is computer controlled
and has a stepper motor on the back side. The computer controlled
version was used after 1981. Other than that, the two versions are
the same although it seems the stepper motor version is a bit more
troublesome.
The Symptoms
The symptoms of the problem include stumbling and sputtering at
idle. In advanced cases, the Jeep will stall at every stop sign and
will only run at high RPMs. Gas mileage will suffer since fuel will
just be sloshing out at idle. Sometimes the idle will be turned up
to a high RPM to avoid the problem. Typically, the Jeep will run
fine at higher RPMs (unless there are also other problems.)
For a
sure diagnosis, park the Jeep with the engine off and remove the
air cleaner cover. There should be a plate over the throat of the
carb, the choke plate. If you open the choke plate you should be
able to see down the throat of the carb and you should see two
screws with holes in the middle of them. Next to them are two
passages with a nozzle in the middle of each. This thing is known
as the venturi, when air passes by, fuel is supposed to be drawn
out through the nozzles. If the idle tubes are clogged fuel will
drip from those nozzles during idle.
In order to see if fuel drips
from the nozzles at idle, you must start your Jeep with the air
cleaner cover off and look down the throat of the carb. The Jeep
Technical Service Manual recommends that, when you do this, you
cover the air cleaner with a piece of plexiglass since the engine
can backfire through the carb and a flame can shoot out. Since I am
reckless and like living dangerously, I never do this.
After you
have chosen the wise or foolish path, start your Jeep and open the
choke plate. If your idle tubes are badly clogged, you will see
fuel dripping from the nozzles at idle (if your Jeep will idle at
all.) If you don't see fuel dripping, but your idle is still poor,
open the throttle a bit with your hand or have a friend hit the
accelerator. You should see two even streams of fuel and no
dripping from the nozzles. Any dripping means clogged idle tubes.
While you are doing this, make sure you don't put your hand or
anything else into rotating parts like the fan. Keep your tie away
from that thing (some people just want to look good all the time.)
Same goes if you are a "long hair, freaky" Tesla type. All joking
aside, I've heard some bad stories.
The Solution
Neither removal of the carburetor nor a complete rebuild is
necessary to fix the problem. To fix the problem, start with you
Jeep off and parked securely:
Remove the air cleaner cover and air cleaner. You may need to
remove a few hoses and wires to get the air cleaner out of the way.
Make sure you tag them all so you can put them back in the right
spot. It's often easiest not to remove the heater hose that goes to
the exhaust manifold, if you have one.
Remove hoop that holds air cleaner.
Remove the two screws holding the choke plate with a 3/16"
socket or small flat blade screw driver depending on what screws
you have holding it. Be careful not to drop the screws down the
manifold unless you enjoy fishing. Remove the choke plate.
If your carb has one, remove the plate on the side that covers
the choke linkage so you can access the screw holding the choke
rod. It may be necessary to drill out a rivet to get it free.
Remove the little snap ring and screw (1/4" socket) that holds
the rod that holds the choke plate and remove the rod. A screw
driver will normally push off the snap ring.
Remove the two screws with holes in the middle of them and
carefully remove the venturi cluster with the two little gaskets.
There should be two idle pickup tubes pushed into the venturi
sticking out of the bottom. If they have fallen out, that could
cause your idle problem.
Blast the venturi and inside of carb with lots of carb cleaner.
Be sure not to dislodge the check ball in the center.
With a long thin pin or piece of piano wire, make sure the idle
tubes and nozzles are clear. After you have run them through, spray
with more carb cleaner.
Put the cleaned out venturi cluster back with the two gaskets
and two screws.
Replace the choke rod with snap ring and screw and replace the
choke plate. Make sure all the screws are tight that hold together
the carb body at this time. Often the screws will loosen up and
dirt will be sucked into the carb.
Replace the plate covering the choke linkage with a sheet metal
screw, or leave it off.
Replace the air cleaner.
Smooth idle should have returned after this simple process. If you
still have idle problems and don't have any dripping, make sure all
the vacuum hoses are hooked up and in good shape. Also check for
leaks around the intake manifold or a loose carburetor.
To avoid
repeated clogged idle tubes, drill out the idle tubes to 0.032".
This will greatly reduce the frequency of clogging and it is a
procedure that was actually recommended by Jeep for a while.
Contributor
Thanks to Randy Peterson for posting this solution a few years
back. I've used it on various Jeeps many times since.
The problem i am having right now is I have fuel going to my needle and seat but I can't seem to get any in my carb. I have had some sever cold weeather lately and thought my lines were froze. Got by that and I thought my fuel pump was shot. Bought new one of those and now I am stuck. I am ready to rebuild the whole damn thing. Any ideas?
Keith 88310 / Alamogordo, NM, UNITED STATES
Posted Dec 23 2008 11:13PM
This is very useful information,however my problem was a litte deeper rooted within my carburetor body. I had to remove the top of my carburetor and blow air thru the idle circuit passage from the bowl to the venturi body. It wasn't really hard, except I had to fuss around a bit with the metering rods, as they are a little difficult to seat back in the passages upon reassembly. The cause was that the jeep had been sitting and some crud had gathered in the bottom of the bowl from the evaporated fuel. The only other thing I can offer is to make sure you have removed the accelerator pump check ball and spring from the carb body is you plan to remove the carburetor to dump the bowl. I had to learn this the hard way.
ineedabrew / Stone Mountain, GA, UNITED STATES
Posted Aug 16 2009 07:24PM
I arrived at this site and posting via www.jeepforum.com and it completly fixed my problem. Awesome information. Thanks.
Jose / Shepherdstown, WV, UNITED STATES
Posted Dec 16 2009 09:59AM
Thank you for all the good info. However, why not just throw away the junk carburator and replace it with a good one from a reputable manufacturer. An addaptor may be needed but so what.
MikeD / West Jordan, UT, UNITED STATES
Posted Dec 17 2009 05:55PM
This does work but generally is only temporary. There is an idle fix kit available that deals with the problem for a more permanent job.
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